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Poacher or Protector?

Updated: Feb 11, 2023

"...that's the real core, that if you are going to an area where parrots are in trouble, the people are in trouble too." - LoraKim Joyner

A member of Biometepe, one of our conservation partners on Ometepe Island in Nicaragua, climbing a tree to monitor parrot nests

LoraKim was recently interviewed for an episode of the podcast Outside In, created by Joel Krieger and Pavani Yalla. Outside In has a unique focus on "experience design for change." Below is what Joel and Pavani wrote about their interview with LoraKim:

"Deep in the jungles of Latin America, front-line wildlife conservation is often met with violent opposition from the extraction economy. Here, hundreds of thousands of parrots are illegally taken by poachers every year. LoraKim Joyner, a wildlife veterinarian, avian conservationist, and Unitarian Universalist minister stands in solidarity and resistance with the people. In a highly adaptive form of culture design, she combines science and spirituality to transform marginalized communities—building their capacity to transform poachers into protectors."

The result is a fascinating exploration of how conservation and experience design intersect. You can listen to the podcast on multiple platforms, listed below. We'd love to receive your feedback - what did you think of the interview? Did it change the way you think about parrot conservation or conservation in general? Send us an email at and let us know!

Episode webpage with key takeaways and resources

Banner at our conservation project in Guyana.

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